If there's a main idea you want people to take from your new book and from your work generally in this moment, what would it be? Ibram X. Kendi: I've tried in my work to show people the ways in which you have powerful forces—powerful people, often super wealthy—who are trying to accumulate tremendous amounts of power, and who have historically been producing ideas for human consumption. These ideas, particularly racist ideas, are designed to get people to think that the very people who are dominating and exploiting them are actually their friends, and that those other people who are also being dominated and exploited are their enemies. Or even to get the primary victims of domination and exploitation—who are being hyper-exploited—to believe that there's something wrong with them because they're Black, or Brown, or a woman, or queer. I'm hoping people will realize just the awesome power of propaganda—particularly ideas—and the effects of those ideas on what we do and see and believe on a daily basis. How do we convince people that authoritarianism hurts everyone, not just the people they don't like? IK: I think this is one of the reasons why, in Chain of Ideas, I wanted people to understand the relationship between power and privilege. We're living in a moment in which racist power—authoritarian power—is saying to low- and middle-income white people: “I am here to protect your privilege.” And so what happens is people are essentially deciding on the maintenance of their privilege in exchange for democracy. … And the more you defend your privileges, and the more you empower those who are defending your privileges, the more you're actually giving up your power. It's only going to get worse. I don't think it's a coincidence that the world's first trillionaire is someone who has been one of the greatest promoters on the face of the earth of great replacement theory. This is a person who has promoted this theory in the United States, in Latin America, in Europe, in India—that majority groups or privileged groups are under attack and he's here to protect and save them. It isn't a coincidence. Because the more people believe great replacement theory, the more they open themselves up to exploitation at the hands of people like him.
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